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Cam knows best's avatar

“ … detractors accused him of racial bias and ignoring global civilian deaths in war zones.”

So apparently you can’t say that people who excuse or celebrate murder are not good people without being criticized for not also including other world tragedies. 🤦🏻‍♀️ The left is completely lost.😂

Steve's avatar

What "left" is that? Before a suspect had even been identified; and he appears to have both right and left in his background; Trump and the right wing blogosphere were already accusing the "left" of Kirk's murder.

Clean up your own house before going after the "left." And I'm neither "left" nor "liberal." Long time registered Republican of the common sense conservatism and Never-Trump variety.

Joanna's avatar

Steve, the issue isn’t about pointing fingers at the ‘left’ or the ‘right.’ The reality is a man of God, Charlie Kirk, was hunted down and murdered in cold blood. That should break every heart regardless of politics. To minimize his death or turn it into a blame game is exactly what divides this country further. You say you’re a Republican, but then excuse the very hate that took Charlie’s life. Evil doesn’t wear a party label it lives in the hearts of men who choose darkness over light. This isn’t about Trump or Never-Trump, left or right — it’s about good vs. evil. And right now, mocking or excusing his death puts you on the wrong side of that line

Linda Grasse's avatar

kirk was not a "man of God" he was an arrogant, ruthless opportunist. he had no compassion or empathy for others who were the victims of senseless violence. this very thread is based on a threat labeling millions of Americans as "the left". do you ever listen to yourself? you should. you are delusional. nobody has mocked or excused his death. we have been opposing gun violence for decades. he didn't but now you want to make us out to be the bad guys? it's not going to work

Steve's avatar

I'm not excusing anything. Before you "canonize" Mr. Kirk, perhaps you could do some further research. He was an adherent of the 7 Mountains political theory; education, government, religion, family, business, media, entertainment; in which so-called Christian Nationalists gain control of the entire country. Look for a new book by Matthew Boedy on the 7 Mountains Mandate. 7 Mountains also is behind the Heritage Foundation and its Project 2025.

The US Constitution allows freedom of religion, or even freedom from religion. Perhaps Gandhi said it best: "I like your Jesus. Your Christians, not so much."

Dan's avatar

Wow. Hate much? And yes, you are excusing the "left". I canonize no person. Not my job. But as a Christian, I will defend Charlie Kirk. He had every right to do what he did. The "tolerant" left could not abide the fact that he was effective at making young people question their endless indoctrination through public schools.

Steve's avatar

Anything that opposes the Trump-Kirk viewpoint is now considered "hate" speech? Yes, Kirk had every right to utilize the constitutional right of free speech. But too many on the right now want to take away the free speech rights from those who were critical of Kirk. Charlie would not have agreed with that.

Linda Grasse's avatar

I'm a christian, I'm a christian, blah, blah, blah. if you were a "christian" you wouldn't feel the need to repeat it over and over* over. you defend kirk & filthy don - both claim to be christians but aren't. he tried to manipulate & radicalize young people. it backfired on him didn't it?

Joanna's avatar

Steve, quoting Gandhi doesn’t change anything about what happened. Gandhi admired Jesus’ teachings, but he rejected Him as Savior — and no quote from him will ever erase the truth of the Gospel. You say you ‘like Jesus,’ yet mock those who follow Him. That’s not wisdom, that’s contradiction. Charlie was killed for boldly living his faith. You can throw Gandhi’s words around all you want, but the only words that matter in the end are Christ’s: ‘If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.’ (John 15:18)

Linda Grasse's avatar

"Mahatma Gandhi was assassinated by Nathuram Godse, a Hindu nationalist extremist, who shot him three times at point-blank range on January 30, 1948. The killing took place as Gandhi was walking to his evening prayer meeting at Birla House in New Delhi."

you should be standing against gun violence but you don't. it's the scourge of humanity. you don't understand christianity bc if you did you would at least follow the 10 commandments which none of you do. you can keep quoting Christ bc you have to. you have no words, thoughts or mind of your own

nobody "hates" you. get off your soap box. we just don't believe you

Mark's avatar

You are excusing a murderer! Not many stronger examples of hate than murder!

Steve's avatar

Consider that Christianity is the by far largest set of religious views in the country. I say "set" because there are several thousand denominations and variations, gatherings, sects, and even cults (for the last, consider examples like snake handlers and the Warren Jeffs cult that was in Colorado City, Utah).

I would try to share with you about actual biblical history, who wrote the bible, did Jesus actually exist, the Gnostics & Essenes, etc. But it's clear that your mind is already made up; truth of the gospel; and you are also passing judgement on those who don't share your exact views. Have a nice day. Bye.

Joanna's avatar

Steve, you can bring up cults, denominations, or historical debates, but none of that changes the truth that Jesus Christ lived, died, and rose again. That’s not just an opinion — it’s a fact that has transformed billions of lives across history, including mine.

Yes, there are many distortions of Christianity just like there are distortions of every ideology. But false versions don’t erase the real thing. Pointing to cults to discredit Christ is like pointing to counterfeit money and saying real currency doesn’t exist.

My mind is made up because the truth has set me free (John 8:32). And though you dismiss me as ‘judgmental,’ know this: I don’t hate you, I pray for you. Because at the end of the day, it’s not about winning arguments — it’s about eternal souls. And Jesus wants yours too.

Cam knows best's avatar

The last 5 school shootings were by trans leftists. Trump had 2 attempts on his life by leftists. Did you forget about the summer of love? All the violent riots, looting, property damage, injuries and deaths? And btw, no riots after Charlie was murdered - we had vigils instead. Charlie’s murderer has a trans boyfriend who has radical leftist posts on his social media. Where’s that common sense Steve?🤔

Steve's avatar

Where is your common sense, citizen? The kid who shot two students a week ago at Evergreen High School in Colorado; then killed himself; was a follower of white supremacist and anti-semitic websites. No evidence at all that he was a "trans leftist." Why are you so afraid of the few trannies in our society of 330 million?

Linda Grasse's avatar

kirk may have been murdered by a young man raised in the magat cult. it's you freaks who are completely lost & refuse to take any responsibility for the damage you are doing to your children

Cam knows best's avatar

Charlie was murdered by a LEFTIST. You are so pathetic, Linda, that you have to name call instead of respond with any facts which is typical behavior of the loser lefties.

Linda Grasse's avatar

you know absolutely nothing about the "kid" currently charged with this crime. talk about pathetic. when did you become judge, jury & executioner?? filthy don began falsely accusing "the left" the day of the shooting when he had zero information .. or did he? is he behind this to deflect attention from the epstein files? I wouldn't put anything past him. the "kid" in custody was raised by magats. that's all we know at this point "goober"

Joanna's avatar

He isn’t a ‘kid’ he’s 22 years old and fully accountable for his actions. There’s no talking to you because you only know hate. You show zero accountability for the killer and instead shift all your anger toward Charlie. The shooter lived with a transgender partner and his own father turned him in—that speaks volumes about who really believes in justice. This was an act of hate, the same hate you’re spreading now. And yes, we believe in our Second Amendment rights, but we also believe in responsibility and law and order. The difference is, we hold killers accountable—you don’t.

Linda Grasse's avatar

his family are magat repugs. they are the ones accountable for his actions

magats are hate mongers just as kirk was

there is zero evidence of his roommate being transgender that is just another example of magats homophobia by spreading lies & misinformation to feed into a false narrative to blame others for their own failures

blaming others for a murder committed by the spawn of magats is the epitome of spreading hate. that's what you are doing

no, you don't believe in law & order bc if you did you wouldn't continue to support a rapist, pedophile, grifter, convicted felon & insurrectionist

Joanna's avatar

Linda, your entire comment is nothing but insults and willful ignorance. The killer was not a child, he was 22 years old — a grown man fully responsible for his actions. That’s a fact, not up for debate. And yes, it is all over the news that he lived with a transgender partner, and his own father turned him in. If you can’t comprehend what’s being reported, that’s on you, not me.

You sit here spitting out ‘MAGA this, MAGA that’ like a broken record, but none of that excuses cold-blooded murder. A husband and father of two children was hunted down, and instead of showing basic human decency, you spew hate and shift blame everywhere except where it belongs — on the murderer. That’s pathetic.

We believe in law and order, which means holding killers accountable for their choices. You clearly don’t. All you do is excuse evil because it doesn’t fit your political narrative. That’s not justice, that’s cowardice. You can call names and throw around labels all day long, but it doesn’t change the truth: Charlie Kirk was murdered in cold blood, and no amount of your hate will ever erase that reality.”

Mark's avatar

He was not radicalized by his family, he was radicalized by liberals and the transgender movement. The fact that you’re still trying to blame conservatives is like saying the Jews incited the holocaust. You are really delusional! I would ask you to get help but you’ve got stage 4 stupidity!

Oren Michael's avatar

Dripping with bitterness, Linda? You insult, you blame, you claim to care about children, but express an attitude that no child should ever be exposed to. Get some help.

Linda Grasse's avatar

bitterness is you magats threatening millions of Americans when they had nothing to do with kirk's murder. one of your mouthpieces was murdered by one of your own. my children are none of your business. they don't go around shooting people - yours do

Joanna's avatar

Blaming millions of people for one evil act is prejudice, not truth. Insulting children and celebrating death doesn’t make your point stronger, it only shows how bitter and hateful you’ve become. Murder is never justified, and no amount of name-calling will change that.

Mark's avatar

I can’t believe that anyone was willing to get you pregnant! Did you have laryngitis at the time?

Joanna's avatar

Attacking grieving people as ‘freaks’ and blaming them for murder is vile. Disagree with politics all you want, but justifying a man’s death and smearing his supporters shows more about your heart than theirs. Decency means standing against violence not excusing it

Cam knows best's avatar

Charlie was murdered by a LEFTIST. You are so pathetic, Linda, that you have to name call instead of respond with any facts which is typical D behavior.

Linda Grasse's avatar

filthy don does nothing but call people names & you like that so what are you ranting about you hypocrite

Cam knows best's avatar

Wow, you are even dumber than you are hateful - and you are really hAteful😂

Linda Grasse's avatar

you must call yourself a christian as well since you have no problem with "hateful" as long as it's directed at groups you don't like

Steve Richards's avatar

Thank You, Sir for speaking your heart. So many believe they can't be open about their beliefs. I believe we've eclipsed that issue....this seems black and white to me.

Good, or Evil.. I never thought I'd see the day, in MY COUNTRY!

Linda Grasse's avatar

appalling behavior was telling jokes & making up obscene lies about the attack of an 80 year old Paul Pelosi in his home. appalling was completely ignoring the murder of Melissa & Mark Hortman in their own home. I have no "belief" in you magats. you are a vicious racist cult who are cruel & heartless all the while hiding behind your bibles & pretending to be christians. the pseudo christians

Joanna's avatar

Linda, labeling people ‘racist cults’ and mocking their faith is exactly the kind of hate that keeps division alive. You don’t have to agree with conservatives, but dismissing all Christians as ‘pseudo’ because you disagree politically is unfair and untrue. Real Christians grieve for every innocent life lost Paul Pelosi, the Hortmans, and Charlie Kirk alike. Tragedy isn’t a left or right issue; it’s a human issue. If you can’t see that, maybe the problem isn’t with our Bibles, but with the bitterness in your own heart.

Linda Grasse's avatar

you are so tone deaf it's disgusting. you aren't "real" christians you are a bunch of phonies. you freaks sure can dish it out but you can't take it. you are the people who have ignored Sandy Hook, Uvalde, Parkland & the Hortman murders get lost. when filthy don manufactures "bibles" in China with his name on them & you "pseudo" christians are OK with it don't expect anybody to respect you

Joanna's avatar

Linda, calling people ‘freaks’ and ‘phonies’ isn’t a conversation, it’s an attack. I’m not here to win your respect — I’m here to stand for truth. Real Christians don’t ignore tragedies; we grieve every innocent life. The difference is, we don’t turn grief into hate. Jesus warned that the world would hate His followers, and sadly your words prove Him right. You call me a ‘pseudo Christian,’ but real faith isn’t proven by insults it’s proven by love. Your anger doesn’t disprove my faith; it only shows why the world needs Jesus all the more.

Linda Grasse's avatar

you wouldn't know the "truth" if it fell out of the sky & landed on your head. I've actually known "real" christians & they find rapists & pedophiles & liars & grifters disgusting. you don't. that's what's "real" about you. everything about your cult is hateful. I'm not "angry" I'm disgusted. there's a difference you "pseudo" christian. do you know how I know you are just another phony? bc the OP on this thread threatened thousands of Americans who had nothing to do with the murder of kirk. and you are fine with that. it wouldn't surprise me at all if filthy don had him killed to deflect from the epstein files. nothing he does is too gross or obscene but it doesn't bother you at all. hence the reason you are such a phony

Joanna's avatar

Linda, for someone so obsessed with calling others ‘phony,’ you sure spend a lot of time spewing hate and conspiracy theories instead of facts. You don’t know me, my life, or my walk with God, so you don’t get to decide who’s a real Christian. If the best you can do is throw insults, it says more about your bitterness than it does about me. You call me ‘pseudo,’ but the only thing fake here is your idea that hate equals truth. I won’t waste respect on someone who thrives off tearing others down. I’ve never condoned rape or defended pedophiles — and Trump has never been found guilty of either. What’s truly disgusting is you sitting on your high horse spewing lies about people you don’t even know. I don’t need your approval to know I’m a good person but maybe you should look in the mirror to find out what kind of person that you are?

Linda Grasse's avatar

a good person would not be making excuses for a rapist & pedophile who paid a porn star for her silence (found guilty by a jury of his peers), found liable for sexual assault, accused by dozens of women of sexual assault including many who were children when he raped them - but as a typical magat - everyone is lying except the pathological liar you continue to support? it's obscene. you need to take a good look in the mirror

not to mention the over 4,000 people who have sued him civilly for stealing from them & his 6 bankruptcies - a legal method of stealing from creditors - all after inheriting $400 million that he squandered. everything he does fails. he's failing as potus right now

the fact that you are defending him makes you a complete "pseudo" christian bc he breaks every one of the 10 Commandments on a daily basis & you are fine with it

BGeorge Gobel's avatar

Maybe we can talk about you perspective.

Joanna's avatar

My perspective is simple: every innocent life matters. If that offends you, then maybe the problem isn’t my perspective but the fact that we’ve lost compassion for one another as human beings.

BGeorge Gobel's avatar

Except they are not all innocent.

Get a life and get educated.

Make your parents proud.

What a maroon.

Linda Grasse's avatar

speak for yourself & the magat cult who have no compassion or empathy for anyone but themselves

Joanna's avatar

Linda, I’ve spent my life caring for people who can’t care for themselves family, patients, and even those society has walked away from. Compassion is not something I lack. I grieve for every innocent life lost, no matter their politics. True compassion means seeing people as human beings, not labeling them a ‘cult’ to justify hate. I’ll continue to choose empathy, even when it isn’t returned.

Linda Grasse's avatar

I don't believe a word you say. if what you say was true you would not be claiming to have "compassion" for a group of people totally lacking in the area of compassion. millions of caregivers all over the world do an amazing job without injecting their "religion" into their job

Joanna's avatar

Linda, you don’t know me or my story. My son suffered a severe brain injury doctors said he wouldn’t survive, but Jesus saved him. I’ve sat with the dying so they didn’t leave this world alone, and I’ve prayed with cancer patients as they took their last breath. My daughter went through something so traumatic as a teen that it left her hopeless, but Jesus restored her life and gave her a future. That is compassion. That is love. I have never forced my faith on anyone, but I will never stop sharing what God has done in my family’s life. Your insults don’t change the truth, they only show bitterness. I know who I am, and I don’t need your approval

Joanna's avatar

thanks for proving my point, nothing says "compassion" like attacking strangers online while pretending you're the expert on faith.

Pat S's avatar

Celebration of some ones assassination is totally moral and ethically wrong in any book. Where were the adults in these ugly peoples lives? You see these people yell loud and long but in the end angels out vote them. Thank you Phil.

Candace Sargent's avatar

what a POS!!!! Hope she's fired.

Thanks for sharing